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Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:15 pm
by Dave in Maryland
I am a serious amateur woodworker and turner with a decently outfitted shop. Years ago I made a couple of pipes from kits with predrilled holes, using wood rasps and files, and that is the extent of my pipemaking experience. Now I want to give it another try, starting from a rough block of briar.

My biggest questions relate to how you get from a block of briar to a properly shaped stummel. I can easily envision where a lathe would be the most appropriate tool, but there is obviously a lot one can't do using a lathe. Is it common practice to use power tools, and, if so, to what extent and what is the preferred procedure?

And what tools are essential for pipemaking that one might not normally find in the average wood shop?

I'd be grateful for the thoughts of the more experienced.

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:22 pm
by kbadkar
Start here: viewtopic.php?f=43&t=2808

It's a "sticky" post by Kurt about tooling up. Aspiring pipemakers all ask that same question when starting out.

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:35 pm
by Dave in Maryland
Thanks! That will get me rolling.

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:26 pm
by Sasquatch
Likewise, exactly how a guy goes about making pipes depends on the tools he has. A lathe is nice, for sure, but no particular tool is absolutely necessary to make a pipe.

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:16 am
by kkendall
An excellent collection of videos :
http://www.tylerlanepipes.com/modules.p ... ummel_Work

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:08 pm
by kbadkar
Sasquatch wrote:... but no particular tool is absolutely necessary to make a pipe.
Well, I'd say an electric drill, bits, files, sandpaper, and preferably a buffing wheel attachment are minimum if you're starting with an undrilled block. Pimo's book shows how to do it with minimum tooling.

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:50 pm
by kbadkar
I take that back, this guy makes pipes with his teeth and fingernails (takes forever), though he claims to have used every power tool his shop to make it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/new-HandMade-Virgin ... 1c02b59c5d

:endofmankind:

Oh, and if you've got a little extra cash, he's got a Stradivarius violin going for pretty cheap:

http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-STRADIVARIU ... 518d6fe328

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:24 pm
by SimeonTurner
I like using nothing but my bare fingers. It takes a LONG time to rub the wood away the way you like, and "drilling" is a real pain (literally), but you can't complain about the level of control you have over your tools. Really precise.
:endofmankind:

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:50 pm
by flix
Oh, my! You mean I don't have to use my toe-nails and can use my finger-nails instead!? Wow, that's a relief!

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:48 pm
by T3pipes
I've been putting denatured alcohol in strategic locations, and simply burning off the unwanted wood to get the wanted shape. Experience has taught me to not have the stem attached when using this method, they tend to melt, so it's extra hard to have a smooth line to the shank.

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:57 pm
by e Markle
kbadkar wrote: Oh, and if you've got a little extra cash, he's got a Stradivarius violin going for pretty cheap:

http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-STRADIVARIU ... 518d6fe328
Oh, right, that's about what I paid for my first Stradivarius :roll:

I don't claim to use perfect grammar, but I did enjoy this tidbit from his auction: "found at an upcale [sic] estate sale--wherein children were selling-off elders"

...If I had only known that was an option, my childhood would have been much more pleasant.

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:33 pm
by KurtHuhn
kbadkar wrote:Oh, and if you've got a little extra cash, he's got a Stradivarius violin going for pretty cheap:

http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-STRADIVARIU ... 518d6fe328
That's particularly amusing since I also have an "original" "Stradivarius". I think I paid $100 for it, because it actually sounded pretty good and one of my kids was interested in picking up the fiddle. :LOL:

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:21 pm
by loosvelt
Dave where you live in MD??

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:07 am
by Dave in Maryland
Thanks to all of you for the helpful advice. I even know where to turn when I'm ready to build my next violin. With my fingernails.

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:24 am
by LexKY_Pipe
Good luck. Welcome to the forum.

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 10:31 pm
by Patrick
First use a band saw or coping saw to cut around the block to form a rough stummel
(That is after you drilled your tob. chamber and air hole/mortise).
Then use a 6 or 7 inch disc sander attached to a lathe or a laid down drill press to
trim more wood close to the shape of the finished pipe outline.
Next use a small belt sander to finish more of the stummel.
Finally use various grades of sand paper to finish.
After staining take a smooth shinny metal rod and rub the
stummel to close the wood fibers (and it also creates a shinny stummel).
Finally carnauba wax pipe.

Re: Very basic questions about forming a stummel from a block

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:09 am
by Dave in Maryland
Thanks for the advice. I hadn't really thought about burnishing but will give it a try.