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Razorback Horn...
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:01 pm
by JMG
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:10 am
by LatakiaLover
Very tricky business, horns. Their simplicity highlights adherence to line more than any other shape.
Looks like you have a bulge at the stem/shank junction in profile, and lost the line a bit from the top view (either the shank tapers too fast, or the stem not enough). The mass is also a bit off to one side when measured against a centerline
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Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:33 am
by JMG
Ugh! That last one really shows the ugly. I think the major problem with that line is in the back of the bowl (shank side) the point that I brought it to is not on line with the front and stem bit.
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:34 am
by JMG
This make me want to go crawl in a hole.
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:23 am
by LatakiaLover
JMG wrote:This make me want to go crawl in a hole.
Not even a little. It's better than 70% of the horns ever made, and better than 99% of first tries at the shape. It is an absolute, uncompromising, dictatorial, iron-fisted pig bitch that punishes EVERY slip, no matter how small, in a magnified, spotlighted way.
The fact that you even "went there" so soon in your carving life and mostly pulled it off is indicative of both spirit and serious talent.
Your reaction to less-than-perfection also suggests---strongly---that if you stick with it, one day you'll be national class.
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:35 pm
by RickB
LatakiaLover wrote:Not even a little.
^That. It's a cool pipe that you should feel pretty good about IMO.
Nothing gets posted here that's above getting critique, and that's a good thing.
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:08 pm
by JMG
RickB wrote:LatakiaLover wrote:Not even a little.
^That. It's a cool pipe that you should feel pretty good about IMO.
Nothing gets posted here that's above getting critique, and that's a good thing.
I love the critique. Those yellow lines scream at you though...but they sure are helpful.
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:42 pm
by LatakiaLover
A couple more thangz.
The curving gleam line of the stummel has a straight section in it (between the red arrows) that shouldn't be there; and at the top of the bowl there's a slight "hook" (the other red arrow) that overhangs the profile's line.
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Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:13 pm
by seamonster
George, we need you to build some virtual reality pipe carver goggles so we can put them on and have your Lazer lines superimposed over a pipe-in-progress.... get on that, will ya??
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Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:40 pm
by LatakiaLover
Here's a similar pipe made by Adam Davidson. A bit more stretched out, and minus the keel (though it incorporates plateau there), but definitely a cousin.
Notice that he did something REALLY unusual and difficult---the top and bottom curves are extended all the way to the button. They never "relax" and go straight. I actually think the pipe would look somewhat better if the stem was straight, but technically, keeping the curves is quite a statement. Very few people have the chops AND patience to pull it off.
I wonder how much it sold for?
https://www.smokingpipes.com/pipes/new/ ... t_id=53666
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:59 pm
by JMG
LatakiaLover wrote:A couple more thangz.
The curving gleam line of the stummel has a straight section in it (between the red arrows) that shouldn't be there; and at the top of the bowl there's a slight "hook" (the other red arrow) that overhangs the profile's line.
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I did catch that hook after I posted the pipe here. Blerg. That light line sticks out like a turd in a punch bowl now that you point it out.
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:23 pm
by JMG
LatakiaLover wrote:and better than 99% of first tries at the shape
In honesty, this was my second horn. This was my first a few years ago. It's actually what got me started making pipes. I always wanted a pipe horn shape, but they are few and far between and usually expensive. So, I said, "Hmm...I might could make one myself." Not great, but I hope I can continue to build and maybe one of these days turn out something a little closer to Adam's. Oh, that was a pre-form stem that I tweaked.
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:56 am
by JMG
After reworking that pot, I decided to give this horn a go and tweak some things. George pointed out that the center line was off so I re-chucked the stummel in the lathe via using a drill bit as a pin gauge and refaced the shank. Not sure it completely cured that problem, but I think it helped. Also, took George's advice and gave the stem a little bend. I think I over did it just a smidgen. I'll restain and finish it out again hopefully tonight sometime. As always, thanks for all your advice and for making guys like me better.
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:55 pm
by seamonster
JMG wrote:After reworking that pot, I decided to give this horn a go and tweak some things. George pointed out that the center line was off so I re-chucked the stummel in the lathe via using a drill bit as a pin gauge and refaced the shank. Not sure it completely cured that problem, but I think it helped. Also, took George's advice and gave the stem a little bend. I think I over did it just a smidgen. I'll restain and finish it out again hopefully tonight sometime. As always, thanks for all your advice and for making guys like me better.
I think the bent stem looks much much better. I don't think the bend is too much. It does look like you have a few bumps in the bottom line. If you can shape that into one continuous curve, you'll have a mighty fine horn.... one that just might change my whole opinion of that shape!
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Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:16 am
by RickB
seamonster wrote:I think the bent stem looks much much better. I don't think the bend is too much. It does look like you have a few bumps in the bottom line. If you can shape that into one continuous curve, you'll have a mighty fine horn.... one that just might change my whole opinion of that shape!
IAWSM. Might see a couple of
tiny kinks in the top line as well, but man is that looking cool. I'd totally leave it a lighter color, too.
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:26 pm
by DocAitch
IAWRASM- a lighter finish would really enhance that grain.
DocAitch
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:38 pm
by JMG
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:33 am
by RickB
Looks a lot better IMO. Very cool pipe.
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:37 am
by LatakiaLover
Mark makes some amazing stuff. Hoover his brain as thoroughly as possible while you're stateside.
Overall a respectable+ job on a beastly-difficult shape & concept. Like a first year violin student tackling Bach's C major sonata... the amazing part isn't how well you played it, but that you could play it
at all.
The training effect of tackling projects like this is huge. It's like resistance training for pipe makers.
You know what come next, of course:
Now go make another!
Re: Razorback Horn...
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:21 pm
by LatakiaLover