For Scottie to be able to refer to a pipe maker as "young" is mind-blowing, innit?scotties22 wrote: DO NOT limit yourself by being so closed minded, young one.
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For Scottie to be able to refer to a pipe maker as "young" is mind-blowing, innit?scotties22 wrote: DO NOT limit yourself by being so closed minded, young one.
I would argue that art is not necessarily beautiful, but moving. Great art elicits deep emotional responses that do not pertain to judgement of the piece being experienced.The Smoking Yeti wrote:I think I should follow up my previous comments. I believe that most pipes made are firmly rooted in the realm of craft. You can say they are artfully crafted if you like- although I'm still not sure I agree with the phrasing. Maybe beautifully crafted works better. (OOH! There's another question, is beauty the same as art? Or, is art necessarily beautiful?)
Indeed, in the so-called "fine art" collecting world, experts with extensive laboratory testing capabilities are often brought in to verify authenticity, the forgeries can be so good.mredmond wrote:If the original is art, a copy of that must also be art.
We are talking about pipes, not horror movies. Pay attention.sandahlpipe wrote:But a billiard may not give you as great a glimpse into the transcendent as a more artistic shape like Grechukin's chopper.
I'm talking about pipes too. But my source is the internet, so take it with a spoon of salt.LatakiaLover wrote:We are talking about pipes, not horror movies. Pay attention.sandahlpipe wrote:But a billiard may not give you as great a glimpse into the transcendent as a more artistic shape like Grechukin's chopper.
Just making a play on "Grechukin's Chopper". Sounds like Freddy Krueger v2.0 movie title.sandahlpipe wrote:I'm talking about pipes too. But my source is the internet, so take it with a spoon of salt.LatakiaLover wrote:We are talking about pipes, not horror movies. Pay attention.sandahlpipe wrote:But a billiard may not give you as great a glimpse into the transcendent as a more artistic shape like Grechukin's chopper.
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I disagree. What George is talking about takes just as much talent to accomplish as the original artist had.sandahlpipe wrote:I don't think art needs to be original to be artistic, but I think originality is something that contributes greatly to the quality of art. You wouldn't call a person who copies art of others an artist. You'd call them forgers or plagiarizers.
Ridiculousness. No shape is art. Ask Gotoh if he makes pipes or art. If he intends his creations to be art he therefore isn't a pipemaker.The Smoking Yeti wrote:I think I should follow up my previous comments. I believe that most pipes made are firmly rooted in the realm of craft. You can say they are artfully crafted if you like- although I'm still not sure I agree with the phrasing. Maybe beautifully crafted works better. (OOH! There's another question, is beauty the same as art? Or, is art necessarily beautiful?)
I would also say there are some pipes which are wholly art, and wholly pipe. To have a "pipe" that is "arty" yet not really that pipe-ish, is really a double failure to me.
As to many of Gotoh's best works George, I think they're art.
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I don't think a billiard is art.