allow me to introduce myself

[BigCasino]

Is till cant believe I read that whole thread , but now I'm damn sure glad I did, my vulcanite smells like roses

[magicbilly]

I think Walt is right on the money. Over complicating things: #1 biggest mistake first time pipe makers make. <-- Very guilty

I think the best thing you can do is to avoid getting obsessed with little tiny things and just have fun makin' some pipes.

I use Feibings... however it does smell a little bit like sewer gas...

all im saying is DEGEE is toxic, safety first. gloves are cheap, hospital visits are not so cheap and funeral services are expensive.

"Steve Jobs was said to be obsessed about making the best technology possible with the simplest method possible. Michael Jordan was said to be obsessed with being the best basketball player of his generation. And thousands of other greats were said to be obsessed about something.
They were told to slow down, relax, and to not pursue their goal so intently. They were told they didn’t have to work so hard. They were told they were obsessed, and that obsession is a horrible trait.
They were told wrong.
Obsessed is just a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.
And sooner or later you’ll realize that a majority of the world is lazy. Not because they’re lazy by birth (some are, but not all), but because they themselves have nothing to be obsessed about. And people who have nothing to be dedicated about usually dedicate themselves to de-dedicating the dedicated.
Do not fall for the trap. Obsessed and dedicated are both compliments.
Trust me.
Falsely yours,
Russell Warren"

[WCannoy]

"Steve Jobs was said to be obsessed about making the best technology possible with the simplest method possible. Michael Jordan was said to be obsessed with being the best basketball player of his generation(etc...)

“Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist.”
― Pablo Picasso

[magicbilly]

"Steve Jobs was said to be obsessed about making the best technology possible with the simplest method possible. Michael Jordan was said to be obsessed with being the best basketball player of his generation(etc...)

“Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist.”
― Pablo Picasso

the only rule here is that you must be able to smoke out of it. other than that, everything is fair game. i could make a paper weight that looked like a pipe, but then it wouldn't be a pipe.

[WCannoy]

the only rule here is that you must be able to smoke out of it. other than that, everything is fair game. i could make a paper weight that looked like a pipe, but then it wouldn't be a pipe.

Here we go again...

Will you at least concede that there might be some aspects of pipemaking that you didn't realise you don't know?

We really do want to help everyone who joins this forum. The ones who do not go the distance are the ones who come into the endeavor with the notion that they are going to revolutionize the craft with their tinkering and schemes. The ones who show the most improvement over the shortest period of time are those who ask lots of questions, then soak up the advice like a sponge.

We've seen it over, and over, and over...

Steve Jobs had rules to learn, Michael Jordan had rules to learn.

It's not too late to start off right!

[d.huber]

"Steve Jobs was said to be obsessed about making the best technology possible with the simplest method possible. Michael Jordan was said to be obsessed with being the best basketball player of his generation(etc...)

“Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist.”
― Pablo Picasso

the only rule here is that you must be able to smoke out of it. other than that, everything is fair game. i could make a paper weight that looked like a pipe, but then it wouldn't be a pipe.

True. Honestly, I don't mean to say that you shouldn't be obsessed with pipe making. I'm completely obsessed with pipe making and I don't think that's bad. There are some things that can affect your personal life if you let them and that's bad. Otherwise, obsess away. Perhaps a better way of communicating what I meant would be, "Enjoy making pipes and avoid letting the details get in the way."

I mainly responded the way I did because you mentioned in your opening post that you're only interested in this as a hobby. Nothing at all wrong with that. If you are going to approach this as just a fun hobby, then my advice is to approach it from a relaxed standpoint. I'm no lawmaker, so please enjoy the hobby in what way suits you best.

As I think we should all learn from the past, I will advise you to read this thread: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4136

I am posting this to illustrate another big mistake that new guys can and have made. Pay close attention to Mike Messer's approach in this thread. My advice would be this: Do not emulate him.

I hope you find the thread educational.

[magicbilly]

all i did was put some pretty decent information out there about the chemicals some people are using. and people think im calling my self out as an evolutionary stepping stone the world of tobacco pipes?!?! anyone can drill some holes in a hunk of wood and call it a pipe. to do it well, will take time and research. to make something that looks good and functions decent will take practice. i didn't pick up a wrench one day and pull the engine and transmission out of a car. i started on easy small tasks like wheels, suspension and brakes. and worked up from there. i have seen a lot of guys hurt them self as well. simple things like goggles, gloves and rags can save your butt. a lot of the older mechanics have skin problems. why? because they would wash there hands with brake cleaner or failed ware rubber gloves when handling fuel or oil. (nothing like hot used motor oil running down your arm when your doing an oil change) doing that day after day that has a very negative effect on your body. god forbid we use a little common sense when working with chemicals. even if you use all natural chemicals in your work, remember that strychnine is "all natural" it comes from a tree. its very important to know what your working with. i might be obsessed about a lot of things, mostly safety. i think its a self presentation instinct.

[d.huber]

I think you are wise to take safety seriously.

Again, welcome to the forum! I look forward to seeing your pipes.

[magicbilly]

the only rule here is that you must be able to smoke out of it. other than that, everything is fair game. i could make a paper weight that looked like a pipe, but then it wouldn't be a pipe.

Here we go again...

Will you at least concede that there might be some aspects of pipemaking that you didn't realise you don't know?

We really do want to help everyone who joins this forum. The ones who do not go the distance are the ones who come into the endeavor with the notion that they are going to revolutionize the craft with their tinkering and schemes. The ones who show the most improvement over the shortest period of time are those who ask lots of questions, then soak up the advice like a sponge.

We've seen it over, and over, and over...

Steve Jobs had rules to learn, Michael Jordan had rules to learn.

It's not too late to start off right!

im sure there is a ton of things i dont know about tobacco pipes. i see this a lot in my line of work, old mechanics are so proud of that 1950's classic they fully restored and believe there way is the only way of restoring a classic car. and what a sin it is to paint a classic car something other than its original or at least a stock color for that year make and model. or the fact that i used new crate ls1 (corvette motor and transmission) in rather than rebuilding the rusty old beat up stock engine that made about 93 horse power when it was brand new. they say things like, "that's not a classic restoration, that car should be turned over to someone who will fix it up right, or scrapped". then they try to make a real low ball offer on it. fixing up cars is an art, just like the paintings i have done or the tacky lawn art i have made for people, or the pipes im going to make. there is no right or wrong way to go about making art.

[WCannoy]

Sorry Magic Billy. I thought you were calling us lazy for not being concerned about the dye, then setting yourself up to be the Michael Jordan of pipemaking, then belittling those of us who put a lot of blood and sweat into just making something to smoke from that is not a paper weight...

Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but honestly, can you see how that can put a person on the defensive?

If you're doing an oil painting, you have to paint fat over lean. That's the right way to do it. Paint what you want, but paint fat over lean. Unless you are born knowing this, someone needs to teach you this.

If you are restoring a car, you have to weld sheet metal patches into the cut out rust holes. Unless you are born knowing how to weld, someone has to teach you to weld properly... then you weld whatever you want.

Pipemaking is the same way. You might not know it yet, but there are wrong ways to do it.

Let us help you learn the right way to perform all of the steps to make whatever pipe art you can envision.

[magicbilly]

sometimes there is a right and wrong way to do something. sometimes there is a faster way to do something and sometimes there really isn't a good way to do something but its gotta get done anyway you can.

[Sasquatch]

I'm not concerned with the dye because basically all the toxicity data and the conclusions of the study presented show that the stuff is not very toxic.

I went and read it all, fully expecting that I was going to find out that the dye is mutagenic and causes brain damage. This is not the case.

Used with any care at all, this stuff presents no hazard.

I totally appreciate a guy coming in with actual information about what's in something like the Feibing's. But it seems to me Magicbilly is convinced that the stuff is going to kill someone and there's no evidence for that. It's not a sensitizer, not a mutagen, and the LD50 is off the charts. I'll bet raw corn has worse numbers.

Thanks for the data Magic - nice to see someone actually do some research rather than just theorizing. But in this case I think the data causes no concern.

[BigCasino]

soo can I keep using it to darken the color of my beef gravy or not?

[Sasquatch]

You ever seen the MSDS for gravy?

THAT shit will kill you.

[LatakiaLover]

Food for thought: Pipes have been around for several thousand years conceptually, and several hundred years in their more-or-less present form.

As recently as the mid-20th century, many companies made millions of pipes each year. The man-hours spent on them is then some multiplier of that.

I think it's safe to say that in the 21st century, original ideas about what to make, what materials work best, and how to go about doing it, are hard to come by.

In fact, the most surprising thing these days isn't even the pipes themselves, but that one of these critters can make 'em. (ever seen how big their hands are? )

[scotties22]

That's why all of his pipes are so big.

[Alden]

That's why all of his pipes are so big.

I thought he was compensating for something.

[Sasquatch]

"I can't help being the biggest and the strongest. I don't even exercise!"

[Sasquatch]

PS Fuck you. I made a little pipe once.

[LatakiaLover]

Nineteen inches long and 260 grams is not small to h. Sapens Squatchy.