Obscene Ban

[d.huber]

Banned e-cigarettes? Are you serious?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... cigarettes

[The Smoking Yeti]

After all- why should our children get the notion that smoking is socially acceptable... this type of writing disgusts me.

[d.huber]

That one gets me the worst. We should just ban everything. Kids might get the wrong idea.

[Ocelot55]

New York City is certainly one of the most totalitarian cities in the North American continent. I can't smoke, I can't have salt on my veggies or trans fats in my burger, and I can't get my massive fountain drink.

Let's not go to New York. Tis a silly place.

[andrew]

What is even more curious is that people keep electing these goons *sigh*, oh well.

andrew

[Ocyd]

I dunno. I'm not really a fan of the whole e-cig thing. I'd rather people smoke actual tobacco. it's more courteous to non/anti smokers because they can get out of the way when the see the second hand wafting in their direction. With this vapor stuff you essentially just get invisible clouds of nicotine hanging about addicting children and purse dogs to the devil weed's sweet sweet nectar.

[LittleBill]

New York City is certainly one of the most totalitarian cities in the North American continent. I can't smoke, I can't have salt on my veggies or trans fats in my burger, and I can't get my massive fountain drink.

Let's not go to New York. Tis a silly place.

If only we could just not go to New York. New York keeps coming here. Even Bloomberg sends his minions into PA to do his bidding. It is a silly place.

[PremalChheda]

I dunno. I'm not really a fan of the whole e-cig thing. I'd rather people smoke actual tobacco. it's more courteous to non/anti smokers because they can get out of the way when the see the second hand wafting in their direction. With this vapor stuff you essentially just get invisible clouds of nicotine hanging about addicting children and purse dogs to the devil weed's sweet sweet nectar.

They also need to put some sort of dye in the extremely toxic car exhaust so Paris Hilton can keep her Chihuahuas healthy.

[Ocyd]

I dunno. I'm not really a fan of the whole e-cig thing. I'd rather people smoke actual tobacco. it's more courteous to non/anti smokers because they can get out of the way when they see the second hand wafting in their direction. With this vapor stuff you essentially just get invisible clouds of nicotine hanging about addicting children and purse dogs to the devil weed's sweet sweet nectar.

They also need to put some sort of dye in the extremely toxic car exhaust so Paris Hilton can keep her Chihuahuas healthy.

People don't usually drive their cars into the line at the grocery store and idle behind you while you're checking out. I wouldn't really care but I heard they got around regulation for the things by getting a judge to agree it was a "recreational device" and not a drug delivery system which sorta irks me. Besides if I have to go outside (which I like by the way) so should everyone else. I mean duraflame logs will kill a person in a small room in hours why haven't they been banned into extinction yet?

[PremalChheda]

I dunno. I'm not really a fan of the whole e-cig thing. I'd rather people smoke actual tobacco. it's more courteous to non/anti smokers because they can get out of the way when they see the second hand wafting in their direction. With this vapor stuff you essentially just get invisible clouds of nicotine hanging about addicting children and purse dogs to the devil weed's sweet sweet nectar.

They also need to put some sort of dye in the extremely toxic car exhaust so Paris Hilton can keep her Chihuahuas healthy.

People don't usually drive their cars into the line at the grocery store and idle behind you while you're checking out. I wouldn't really care but I heard they got around regulation for the things by getting a judge to agree it was a "recreational device" and not a drug delivery system which sorta irks me. Besides if I have to go outside (which I like by the way) so should everyone else. I mean duraflame logs will kill a person in a small room in hours why haven't they been banned into extinction yet?

I am sorry. I thought you were making a joke about it. I don't think I have ever seen anyone smoke inside a grocery store. Outside tho, I have been hit hard by vehicle emissions, and that is where I was assuming you dodge puffs of smoke, and could not dodge the vapor cause you cant see it. Breathing the air outside in NYC probably has more toxins than a puff of vapor from an ecig.

Ecigs are not a drug device because aluminum soda cans are not either. Caffeine has about the same effects as nicotine.

From all of the studies I have read so far about second hand vapor, there is no "0" danger to others. You may want to look into it. The main argument that the antis had against Ecigs in the NYC ban was that it looks like smoking so kids and others may find it acceptable and will want to try it.

People are idiots and if someone is using an ecig in a grocery store, that is just inconsiderate. However, the business always has the option to not allow it. Banning it outright is just taking more freedoms away from us when there is no evidence of harm to others from second hand vapor.

Lol, second hand vapor. It is kind of like 3rd hand smoke.

[Ocyd]

e-cigs not a drug delivery device? Come on, that's the sole purpose they were designed for. The least we can do is be honest with ourselves. They are just new fangled electronic pipes, as cigarettes are one use disposable pipes. Just because you can pack tea in your pipe doesn't make it a tea cup although I supose if you add hot water it may qualify as a really tiny tea pot. If any thing they are more closely related to hypodermic needles than aluminum cans. And nicotine and caffeine can't really be classified together anyway. Besides unless it's proven all the nicotine in the vapor is absorbed by the user it still technically poses a threat to bystanders. The whole thing just rubs me the wrong way buying little bottles of liquid brewed up in sombody's lab it's like something out of robocop. That and it somehow side steps all the laws and persecution I got to deal with as a smoker it just ain't fair, damn punk kids. Over regulation is a problem sure but there should be at least some.

[Jon Yoo Suk]

A friend in Miami has told me his city council have ordered an old couple to stop growing vegetables in their front yard or face fines, sob's.
Here in merry old England we are not allowed work of a ladder more than 6 feet high, at which point we must have scaffolding. European union for you, soon we will have employ a person to walk in front of automobiles waving a red flag, and leaning out of your car window and calling another driver an asshole is punishable by death, and should you accidently break into someones house steal their belongings and rape their children you get a 3 week safari to Africa and £10,000 spending money. The years have made me bitter and the gargle dimmed me brain.

[The Smoking Yeti]

Why do scientists claim nicotine poses a danger to health, yet they sell nicotine gum to help people quit smoking? Do they just happen to choose which nicotine is bad and which is not?

[RDPowell]

God forbid that parents should have to teach there children anything anymore. It's the schools and governments job to do that.
In fact the government should build a large camp/complex that parents can just send there children from time of birth till they are of age to live on there own to be train and taught to be good little Nazi's thus relieving the parents of any duties and responsibility to the children.
Banning E-Cigs, what a crock........next they'll be burning books I suppose.

[PremalChheda]

e-cigs not a drug delivery device? Come on, that's the sole purpose they were designed for. The least we can do is be honest with ourselves. They are just new fangled electronic pipes, as cigarettes are one use disposable pipes. Just because you can pack tea in your pipe doesn't make it a tea cup although I supose if you add hot water it may qualify as a really tiny tea pot. If any thing they are more closely related to hypodermic needles than aluminum cans. And nicotine and caffeine can't really be classified together anyway. Besides unless it's proven all the nicotine in the vapor is absorbed by the user it still technically poses a threat to bystanders. The whole thing just rubs me the wrong way buying little bottles of liquid brewed up in sombody's lab it's like something out of robocop. That and it somehow side steps all the laws and persecution I got to deal with as a smoker it just ain't fair, damn punk kids. Over regulation is a problem sure but there should be at least some.

Ocyd, are you trolling me? If not, you may want to do a little research into the subject. Over 10% of ecig users use zero nicotine liquid. Drug delivery device with no drug? Nicotine and Caffeine are classified as very similar. Go look it up if you don't believe. The exhaled vapor from an ecig does contain nicotine but the ppm is so low that there is no risk to others. Go look it up if you don't believe. A lot of things rub me the wrong way, but I will never be for draconian laws that take away freedom of choice.

[pipedreamer]

Americans will have to grow a backbone to stop this taking over of the country piece by piece.

[Ocyd]

No! it's wrong and unnatural these juicers need to be rounded up and stopped Maybe shipped of to some island like lord of the flies. Where they can learn the value of fire like decent human beings. We are headed for a global energy crisis we can't spare the batteries so these damn kids can get all vaped up. I read the internet and see the youtubes it's all so they can smoke the super concentrated ganga that's been blowing up kitchens all over the country literally.