PITH 2020!

[PremalChheda]

Bulldog/Rhodesian it is!

So..... Carver's choice bulldog/Rhodesian? or will we go with a reference?

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Carver’s choice.

I’ll make a blueprint bulldog/Rhodesian for fun if anyone also wants to try a shot at it and post the plans here.

[davidpiepkorn1]

Bulldog/Rhodesian it is!

So..... Carver's choice bulldog/Rhodesian? or will we go with a reference?

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Carver’s choice.

I’ll make a blueprint bulldog/Rhodesian for fun if anyone also wants to try a shot at it and post the plans here.

If only my “process” weren’t so time consuming. I do wish to participate. Being so new, I shall wait til next year, when I may have built a pipe, taking less than a year and a half to complete. [emoji846]


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[Adui]

I shall get started, payday...

[Keresaspa]

Bulldog/Rhodesian it is!

So..... Carver's choice bulldog/Rhodesian? or will we go with a reference?

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Carver’s choice.

I’ll make a blueprint bulldog/Rhodesian for fun if anyone also wants to try a shot at it and post the plans here.

I've voted for a blue-print pipe, so I decided to make a Bulldog based on Dunhill ODA 838 (1953). And I start working on it last night.
I like to know about the deadline so I can manage to finish it at the right time...

[n80]

I've got a lot of questions about workflow, form elements, and such regarding bulldog/Rhodesian pipes. Should we start a separate thread for questions, tips, tricks etc?

I vote carver's choice. I have ideas I want to explore....

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[LatakiaLover]

I've voted for a blue-print pipe, so I decided to make a Bulldog based on Dunhill ODA 838 (1953).

Anyone care to guess why 838's are one of Dunhill's least produced shapes? Why they're as rare as hen's teeth?

Because they were so difficult and time consuming to make. Most likely added to the catalog by some higher-up who wasn't a shop person to fill out the 800-series ODA line, but was dodged at every opportunity by the workers (who hated them) and the cost accountants (who knew that several less difficult shapes could be made in the time it took to make an 848).

Will attempting one be a fantastic learning exercise? Hell yeah.

Can't wait to see how close you get.

This is exciting stuff, rat heer...

[PremalChheda]

You are more than welcome to participate and if you have to drop out later due to time constraints just let us know. Post “I’m in” if you decide to join and I’ll add you to the list

So..... Carver's choice bulldog/Rhodesian? or will we go with a reference?

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Carver’s choice.

I’ll make a blueprint bulldog/Rhodesian for fun if anyone also wants to try a shot at it and post the plans here.

If only my “process” weren’t so time consuming. I do wish to participate. Being so new, I shall wait til next year, when I may have built a pipe, taking less than a year and a half to complete. [emoji846]


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[PremalChheda]

This is the place to post about anything to do with the pith including design, workflow, etc.. You can definitely create a new thread too.

I've got a lot of questions about workflow, form elements, and such regarding bulldog/Rhodesian pipes. Should we start a separate thread for questions, tips, tricks etc?

I vote carver's choice. I have ideas I want to explore....

???

[n80]

I've voted for a blue-print pipe, so I decided to make a Bulldog based on Dunhill ODA 838 (1953).

Anyone care to guess why 838's are one of Dunhill's least produced shapes? Why they're as rare as hen's teeth?

I looked that pipe up. Smooth and blasted versions. That is a great looking pipe and I'm not even a huge bulldog fan. It screams 1950's elegance.

Given the technical challenges LL mentions I won't be attempting one for the PITH, but if someone does actually put together a blueprint I would love to see a copy of it.

I might try to copy, not blueprint, a Dunhill 0414:

[n80]

This is the place to post about anything to do with the pith including design, workflow, etc.. You can definitely create a new thread too.

Okay, so I'll start with the basic noob questions:

Are the two bead lines on the stummel critical (in a classic sense, anyway)? Sometimes on rusticated or heavily blasted ones there is no bead.

If so, are they equally critical on a bulldog and a Rhodesian.

Is it always two lines? Sometimes one maybe? Never seen three.

Finally, having just gotten a (wood) lathe I might attempt the bead lines. What tool? I have a diamond shaped carbide tipped tool. I've practiced on some spindles. It makes a 'V' rather than a shouldered channel but it is fairly easy to use. Is a 'V' groove okay or does the groove need to be square shouldered?

George

[KurtHuhn]

Okay, so I'll start with the basic noob questions:

Are the two bead lines on the stummel critical (in a classic sense, anyway)? Sometimes on rusticated or heavily blasted ones there is no bead.

No, not critical, but necessary in most cases. It depends on the shape. If you are making a catalog shape, yes - they should be there.

If so, are they equally critical on a bulldog and a Rhodesian.

Yes. Sometimes. Mostly. Not always.

Is it always two lines? Sometimes one maybe? Never seen three.

I've done three. Two. One. Do what feels right.

Finally, having just gotten a (wood) lathe I might attempt the bead lines. What tool? I have a diamond shaped carbide tipped tool. I've practiced on some spindles. It makes a 'V' rather than a shouldered channel but it is fairly easy to use. Is a 'V' groove okay or does the groove need to be square shouldered?

George

V is fine. Square is fine - but V is easier.

If you make a straight pipe, a skew chisel will make a very precise ring. With bent pipes, you need to get creative. A skew chisel might do it, but maybe a custom tool might fit the bill. I actually do it all with a skew chisel. I just get a bit scary with my fingers....

[LatakiaLover]

Are the two bead lines on the stummel critical (in a classic sense, anyway)? Sometimes on rusticated or heavily blasted ones there is no bead.

Because deep(er) blasting takes the bowl exterior out of round enough to make rings "swell" and "shrink" in depth and width (unless parallel-sided), they were considered unnecessary by some English companies. Dunhill being the most notable:

http://www.glpease.com/Pipes/Collection/dunhill.html

[LSBW]

I’d like to see a blueprint to try and see how close I can get it. I will also be focusing more on bulldogs and Rhodesians, straight and bent when I’m laying out blocks.

[J. Mouton]

I think I'm understanding this Carvers choice correctly. So we are free to decide between a Rhodesian or Bulldog without parameters?

[PremalChheda]

I think I'm understanding this Carvers choice correctly. So we are free to decide between a Rhodesian or Bulldog without parameters?

Yes. You can pick bulldog or Rhodesian. Bulldogs are considered to have diamondesque shanks. Rhodesians are considered to have rounded shanks. One groove, two grooves, more, or no grooves are your choice. Design is open to interpretation. For example: The Geiger posted by LL above is a freehand design that looks to have design elements of a Rhodesian.

[PremalChheda]

I’d like to see a blueprint to try and see how close I can get it. I will also be focusing more on bulldogs and Rhodesians, straight and bent when I’m laying out blocks.

I’ll post blueprints of the two I’m going to attempt later this week.

[Adui]

I'll snap some pictures of the Kaywoodie bulldog I'm going to use as a pattern. I'll also try to keep a detail log off what differences I plan and why, as well as any unplanned differences. That way whoever gets my finished product has a point of reference.

[n80]

I just finished my first bulldog. Patterned after the basic Dunhill I showed several posts above. I do not need to post pictures. From 3 feet it is a pretty little pipe. Up close the flaws are all too obvious.

It is the first pipe that I used my lathe on but only did the drilling with the lathe. I did not have the right turning tools to shape it on the lathe.

So the bowl was shaped by hand and it shows.

I found sanding this shape to be difficult for some reason.

The diamond shaped shank is SO hard to get right. Any imperfection in the line is obvious. Efforts to correct a problem produce another problem somewhere else.

The taper of the stem was just a bitch. Instead of perfect straight lines tapering to the bite area it turned into a slight fishtail. Not hideous, but not right.

On the good side, the button is the best I've done so far. (The slot is on par with previous efforts; fair-to-poor). The Stem-to-shank junction is the best I done so far and the drilling is perfect, all due to the lathe.

Anyway, going to keep working on the style. Going forward I hope to do better shaping since I'll have the lathe and proper tools. I will either do a saddle stem next time to avoid the current taper problem or just stick with a Rhodesian style round stem.

George

[Keresaspa]

I've voted for a blue-print pipe, so I decided to make a Bulldog based on Dunhill ODA 838 (1953).

Anyone care to guess why 838's are one of Dunhill's least produced shapes? Why they're as rare as hen's teeth?

Because they were so difficult and time consuming to make. Most likely added to the catalog by some higher-up who wasn't a shop person to fill out the 800-series ODA line, but was dodged at every opportunity by the workers (who hated them) and the cost accountants (who knew that several less difficult shapes could be made in the time it took to make an 848).

Will attempting one be a fantastic learning exercise? Hell yeah.

Can't wait to see how close you get.

This is exciting stuff, rat heer...

The first Bulldog I've turned showed some sandpits passing through the Rings, So I cut them to make that stummel sandblast/rusticate (I forgot to take a pic after removing the rings!).

[Keresaspa]

By the way, I choose another block to achieve a perfect grain for a smooth version too, and this is the turning progress:

*(sorry for the bad quality pics, I used my old Phone's camera for that shots.)