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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:15 pm 
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I am finding it difficult finding and keeping the forward lean balance on a poker I am working on. I've tried a few before and encountered the same issue. It was OK after I drilled it, fit my stem, did some initial shaping but now it won't sit. The weight behind is pulling it back.
I've tried filing it with a flat file, get oh so close and do a bit more and it disappears.
I've tried sanding it on a flat surface by carefully running the bottom over the paper with more pressure toward the front. Get it so it will sit, but not solidly. Go back and do a bit more and it disappears again.
Any tips on getting that balanced and sitting solidly?
Thank you in advance.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:54 pm 
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I generally start with a thick bottom and then cut the final angle on the bottom last.
A couple of times I’ve had to cut it pretty close, but they are generally smokable.
If you are too close to the chamber, all that you can do is pare down the shank and the stem to get the weight off.
If you had planned on a tapered stem, consider a saddle instead.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:03 pm 
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Balance is tough, but if you leave some space on the heel to adjust, it helps. Especially with the weight of a stem and shank, the balance usually requires the flat part to be at a steeper angle than you might anticipate. A shorter shank and stem help significantly. As for getting it flat, use a piece of 220 sandpaper on a flat countertop and run it on the heel. You can adjust the pressure to shift the angle slightly.

In the end, unless you’re working from precise measurements on a plan, it’s trial and error and practice makes it faster to see the right angle earlier in the process.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:01 am 
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Do you have a photo of the pipe in progress? That might help.

One thing I've found to be true is, if it's not perfectly flat you don't have maximum surface contact and it may not sit properly. You don't want any low spots, especially on the stem side of the bottom.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:11 pm 
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Gee whiz, I forgot about my post until today. Sorry folks.
Here are a few pictures of where I'm at. I'm still in rough shaping mode. Gotta true my lines top bottom, sides including the stem. I use two pieces of steel from an old drill press. The acrylic stem is an attempt on well, an acrylic stem.
I chopped a lot off the bottom but Doc, your comment about doing it last resonates with me. Thankfully there is lots of briar between the bottom of the airhole and the bottom of the stummel.
Anyway here are a few pics. I am going to bend the stem eventually.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:33 pm 
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I try to make all my sitters have saddle stems, I try not to make the shank thick - keep it as light as possible on that side, then they sit not bad.

And a little organic forward lean on the shape goes a long way too.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:49 am 
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Thanks for the feedback gentlemen.
Jeremiah, thanks for the point of leaving yourself some extra briar in case you have to trim more.
Wayne, I've gone through a few blocks because of the issue you pointed out, the bottom not being perfectly flat and then attempting to chase it.
I don't have a piece of glass but I have some material left over from when we had new counter tops installed. Will cut myself a piece to use.
I like the front lean on that sitter Sasquatch.


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