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 Post subject: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:02 pm 
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I recently made this cigar holder for a friend mostly out of curiosity and to see if I could. It has two inserts so it can hold three different gauges of cigar. It was fun to make but took way too long to make it a profitable venture; especially considering there isn't likely a big market at the price it would be even remotely profitable. I thought you guys might enjoy seeing it though.

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:00 am 
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Nicely done Wayne!


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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:00 am 
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No doubt as time consuming to make as a pipe. And technically more difficult in some ways.

An outstanding result, though. Great job! (I hope your friend understands what he has and treats it accordingly.)

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:23 am 
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Superb work, I can imagine that was a lot more fiddly and technically difficult than it looks.

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:13 am 
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Beautiful work, but I would have to agree, too much work.
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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:17 pm 
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Some aspects were more technically difficult. One thing I wished I had when making the inserts was a DRO. I originally had three inserts but one didn't survive the process and it was just too time consuming to make a replacement. Getting a perfect and exact fit between the different inserts was maddening, especially when you consider the heat generated from turning and the change in fit once it cools down.

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:21 am 
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Those inserts are a brilliant idea. Very well executed, Wayne.

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:21 am 
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A DRO is a wonderful thing. It won't have solved all your problems though, because of the nature of the materials we use, with slop factor of the lathe added in you can't be as precise as you might imagine with a DRO but it does help speed things along. I can turn with confidence to about 0.1mm with my DRO but for things like tenon fit this is nowhere near close enough. Generally I use my DRO to get me within 0.3mm of where I want to be and then sneak up on the dimension the old fashioned way. The problem is not inaccuracy in my DRO or my lathe, of course there is some and it is a factor, the main problem is the materials we are turning, they are soft, spongy and flexible, when you cut they move out of the way, warm up, expand, shrink. All these factors can have a big effect on fit. These same problems occur when turning metal too but to a much lower degree and to a far more predictable scale.

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
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Very nice Wayne!
An ignorant question: what is a DRO?

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:50 am 
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Charl wrote:
Very nice Wayne!
An ignorant question: what is a DRO?


DRO=Digital Read Out. Optical or magnetic scales detect movement of the carriage and show such on a digital display. Takes the place of trying to interpret engraved scales on the wheels. Worth the money. Most old lathes can be retro-fitted.


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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:40 pm 
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Charl wrote:
...what is a DRO?


Yo, bruh. I can't believe you geeky guys. A DRO is a blunt made with hydroponically grown pot. Everybody knows that.

Need to be raisin' your cool game, here, boys. Ya need some street.

As for "Oklahoma Red"? :lol: That's a guy who makes sweet ice in a lab outside Tulsa, usin' his product name as a board handle. That TV show where it was blue? Like that, only red.

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:09 pm 
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A digital readout is way overkill for pipemaking. If you can't stay within pipemaking tolerances without looking at big, red, digital displays you probably shouldn't be using a lathe anyway;) And as Chris said, the materials we use do no keep the kind of tight specs a dro is helpful with. It can do cool stuff though and of course we all like our toys;)

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
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LatakiaLover wrote:
Charl wrote:
...what is a DRO?


Yo, bruh. I can't believe you geeky guys. A DRO is a blunt made with hydroponically grown pot. Everybody knows that.

Need to be raisin' your cool game, here, boys. Ya need some street.

As for "Oklahoma Red"? :lol: That's a guy who makes sweet ice in a lab outside Tulsa, usin' his product name as a board handle. That TV show where it was blue? Like that, only red.


Duuuude! You been snorting too much toe jam!


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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
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:lol:
Thanks, gents!

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:07 am 
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W.Pastuch wrote:
A digital readout is way overkill for pipemaking. If you can't stay within pipemaking tolerances without looking at big, red, digital displays you probably shouldn't be using a lathe anyway;) And as Chris said, the materials we use do no keep the kind of tight specs a dro is helpful with. It can do cool stuff though and of course we all like our toys;)


Whatever. The DRO would have been handy when making multiple parts (the inserts) to get more precise and consistent fits. That's all. I guess guys with DRO's just aren't nearly as cool as you. 8) :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:42 am 
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Oh I'm sure it would be useful sometimes, no doubts. But are there many pipemakers that use DROs on a regular basis?

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:37 am 
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W.Pastuch wrote:
Oh I'm sure it would be useful sometimes, no doubts. But are there many pipemakers that use DROs on a regular basis?

I can personally attest to the fact that our host Tyler B has one on his PM lathe as I have watched him use it. I have an aftermarket unit that I've not yet found the time to install on my 1943 vintage Logan. In my opinion, they should be particularly useful on old iron that has gotten loosey-goosey over the years. They are a definite convenience on new machines, be they lathes or mills. Again, my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
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I use my DRO on every single pipe I make.

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
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Ok, I retract my comments ;)
It's just one of the very few machine accessories that I don't really want, but maybe that's because I like analog stuff too much;)

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 Post subject: Re: Cigar Holder
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Nothing wrong with that. Use what makes you happy. My DRO makes me happy. Can I work without it? Sure, I did for several years.

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